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Question (Roland Johnson): Okay. Now what — so after learning that, your — some period of time you believe in the fall of ‘04, you were asking him to reconsider his position on that those that taught men to be pastors ought to be pastor-qualified themselves and looking for an option other than that?

Answer (Sheri Klouda): Other — yeah, either that or realizing, you know, if he wouldn’t grant an exception in my case, then perhaps — perhaps he would — you know, would be able to find another place of service for me at the institution. I was very — I was in a different situation from the typical woman, things were reversed in so many ways as God’s hand was in it, so — but I will say this.

I also in several instances attempted to try and, you know, make overtures to Mrs. Patterson, is there anything that I might be able to do to help with the women’s program, if there are any of my skills that would be important there. She dismissed me summarily right away and I was sort of surprised that she didn’t make any kind of overture to me or try to build any sort of bridge with me with regard to perhaps using my skills and abilities in some way with the women because I would have been open to that and I’ve expressed openness to that. I did not know her and I would have liked to have gotten aquainted with her and understanding, of course, that she has constraints that are part of being the wife of the president of the seminary and a very busy woman. Still as of — a woman who had been educated at Southwestern Seminary, I thought perhaps I could make a contribution and I couldn’t seem to get to square one with her.