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IMB Trustees Meeting

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The Board of Trustees of the International Mission Board meet this week. It is the first meeting after the election of Johnny Hunt as President of the SBC and the first meeting after the public release of the broadly supported IMB Change statement requesting the rescinding of the controversial IMB guidelines brought to the fore by former IMB Trustee Wade Burleson.

Will the Trustees choose to continue to divide conservative Southern Baptists around tertiary doctrines? Frank Page and Johnny Hunt oppose the guidelines that have created no small furor and plenty of ink, type or computer screen material.

We know that four entity heads oppose them, including Jerry Rankin. We lived without them for a century. They became an issue in the recent election in the BP questionairre. Those who supported the policies were roundly defeated. This is dividing the convention.

Paul Chitwood has called for unity and that is what we need. But that will not come as long as these divisive guidelines are in place. We know, Trustees, that many of you genuinely believe these things. We are not asking you to change your beliefs. We are asking you to return to the BFM as the standard. Listen to Jerry Rankin, Morris Chapman, Frank Page and Johnny Hunt … do it for unity around missions.

Downshore Drifts into Hopeful Territory

Topic: Alan Cross, Indianapolis 2008, Weblogs| 26 Comments »

Some of us were unable to attend the SBC Annual Meeting in Indianapolis. We are grateful for those who Twittered (Ed Stetzer) and blogged (Tom Ascol and others). Technology allowed many of us to listen in from the outside (like Timmy Brister). Alan Cross may have watched the entire meeting from gavel to gavel. He offers his thoughts in the following piece re-posted here with permission. We offer this post as you anticipate the return of the flag waving Ben Cole.

June 11, 2008

Convention Finale: Does the SBC Have a Future?

I have written a great deal about the SBC over the past few days because I had a sense that what would be decided and discussed would have significance for the long term. I was pretty gloomy last night (Tuesday) about the overall tone of the convention, primarily because nothing was done about the IMB policies. But, after listening to Al Gilbert’s covention sermon, hearing from the other speakers, seeing the passage of the resolution on regenerate church membership, and hearing the idea of a Great Commission Resurgence mentioned again and again, I am of the belief that the SBC leadership is moving in the right direction. Here’s why: They are finally publically saying that they believe that there is something dreadfully wrong and they are taking steps to address it. As Dr. Frank Page said in his sermon, we have to see ourselves ae we really are and go to Jesus for change. On some levels, it appears as though we are doing that.

Apart from Dr. Patterson’s claims that the SBC will be rescued by swarms of Southwestern graduates beating back the vultures attacking the SBC, the triumphalistic tone that has marked so many of our meetings was missing. There was a great deal more humility and recognition that we are in trouble. There was an awareness that all biblically conservative, BF&M affirming Baptists need to be mobilized to reach a dying world for Christ. It was the tone that Dr. Frank Page promised us when he became president two years ago in Greensboro. He has delivered.

When I went to my first convention two years ago, I was a part of a small group of Baptist Bloggers calling for reform. I met up with guys like Marty Duren, Art Rogers, Todd and Paul Littleton, Ben Cole, Wade Burleson, Kevin Bussey, CB Scott, Micah Fries, Tom Ascol, David Phillips, and others who were saying that we were facing dramatic problems and that we had to reform and become missional or we would die. The reform group changed by adding new people and losing others, but the basic message stayed the same.  The small movement was initiated by the IMB policies that overstepped the BF&M, but it tapped into the truth that the SBC is losing members, young leaders, and ground. We are declining in baptisms and our churches are aging. We knew that something had to be done and so we hit on multiple fronts. My main focus was the IMB policies, because I felt that if they were rescended it would keep the door open for missionaries to get to the field and it would also send a message to the SBC that we do not need to narrow the doctrinal parameters of cooperation. My vision did not exceed that because I thought that getting the whole convention to move in a missional direction was a hopeless cause. Others, like Ben Cole, saw the main problem as being Dr. Patterson at Southwestern. Others, like Marty Duren, focused more on bringing a missional perspective to the SBC, and we all watched people like Steve McCoy and Joe Thorn who did more than talk about it. Then, you had the Calvinist perspective from folks like Tom Ascol and Timmy Brister. We never all agreed with one another and there were many parts of the reform movement that that some of us rejected. But, all of this came together to provide an unending, and I believe, God provoked push for change.  Unfortunately, those calling for change did not always do so in a God-honoring way and the movement sometimes struggled because of that.

It seems that the reform movement of bloggers, however it was defined, is dead. It ran out of gas and imploded upon itself, largely because it was constantly reacting against the problems of the establishment. And they were many. Few of the original most prominent leaders are blogging about the SBC anymore. I stopped writing on Downshoredrift.com on SBC issues almost a year ago, although I continued commenting on a few other blogs. But, even though the unorganized movement of passionate young pastors has died, it seems that many of the ideas that were espoused have made it from computer keyboards to the very platform and back room decisions of the SBC. No one can look at this convention and compare it to Greensboro in 2006 and not see the ideas and dreams of the reformers all over it. As Nathan Finn said when I called him for his impressions of the convention, “The Convention has come together in consensus around a Great Commission Resurgence.” Contrary to what many might think, this change in direction from triumphalism about how great the SBC is to an awareness that we are in trouble and either need to change or die, has nothing to do with politics. There has been no conspiracy. There has been no attempt to grab a seat at the table and control things. People are just beginning to wake up and see the truth. Statistics about declining baptisms, dying churches, and a large portion of pastors who disagree with the IMB policies/guidelines has caused many in leadership to begin to step forward. We had SIX people run for SBC president this year!  Four years ago, we only had one, pre-anointed “candidate.” Times have changed. Love for our churches, the lost, and the SBC has caused many who were willing to either ignore the obvious or stand silently by while others put their stamp on the future of the SBC to step forward and begin to lead.

In my opinion, the Baptist Identity movement has lost any significant influence in the SBC. The forces that stacked the trustee board of the IMB to deliver those horrendous policies are seeing the beginning of the end of their influence. The SBC is moving in a different direction and it is leaving them behind. This is happening because people all over convention leadership are able to see the truth of the challenges that we are facing and they are well aware that the Baptist Identity group out of Southwestern has no real answers. We need Biblical truth and Spirit given power for trying times, not extrabiblical restrictions that put us under the dominion of man’s tradition instead of God’s Spirit.

While I see a lot of good signs and I believe that the yeast of the reform movement has spread throughout the dough of the leadership of the SBC in an organic, unpredictable, and unexpected way, it is just a beginning. Recognizing that you have a problem is only the first step and it’s taken us a couple of years to get to this point. We need leadership who can now assess what needs to die and what needs to live. How do we begin to address the problems that we face? How do we reposition ourselves to quit fighting one another and turn to face a dying world? How do we reclaim a missional theology that leads us outside of ourselves to appropriately engage those who do not know Jesus? How do we reconnect our churches with the power of the Holy Spirit and intimacy with Christ? After we have addressed how to do these things, doing them is another matter entirely. That is yet another step. Then, we must actually come to the point of renewal and effectiveness so that we can bear fruit for the Kingdom. The leaders who have brought us to this point may be unable to bring us further. So many of our current leaders have compromised themselves because they have been trying to maintain what we already have and have served the SBC rather than serving God. But, what we have is dying. New leadership is needed to birth what God has for us.

Overall, I am more encouraged about Johnny Hunt as president of the SBC than I was Tuesday. But, his position really is irrelevant at this point. The change that is coming will not come from convention leadership. It will not come from our entities or denominational leaders. No, the change that is coming is going to come from the local churches. Many will die, but many will emerge to lead the way into this new reality. Pastors and churches networking together to become more effective in reaching their communities and world will be the future of the SBC. The large, top heavy, money sucking, bureaucracy that the SBC has become is going to begin to be dismantled if we are serious about a Great Commission Resurgence. This will happen because one of the biggest things that keeps the SBC from being relevant and effective is the SBC denominational apparatus. Effective leaders with more fidelity to Christ than the SBC will realize this. Churches are paralyzed because they are waiting for the denominational structures to tell them what to do. For Baptist churches to awaken, they have to become Baptist churches again - vibrant, autonomous, spirit filled, life giving outposts/communities of the Kingdom. Local churches do not exist to make the SBC strong. If the SBC is to exist at all, it must be to serve the churches.

So, does the SBC have a future?  I still don’t know.  The fragmented vision of the reformers is, in part, beginning to be realized. But, there is still a long way to go. I will predict that the future will likely be a mixture of all facets of Baptist heritage and life. A diverse array of churches, leaders, and common people will come together to define the future of the SBC if we are to have one at all. They will be biblical conservatives. That battle has been fought and won. But, if we are to truly believe the Bible, then we will have to be a people who care more about the expansion of the Kingdom of God than we care about our own size, strength, and glory. We must decrease and Jesus must increase. Positive steps toward that were taken this week. I hope we start running in that direction in the future.

Offering Information, Creating Conversation, Shaping Opinions

Topic: Conversation, Media, News, Weblogs| 18 Comments »

My mentor, Dr. Rick Davis, recently suggested the need to check out information posted on blogs for “verification and authentication.” In my previous post I noted Nathan Finn calling attention to the new dynamics the Internet creates for SBC politics. In today’s edition of The Daily Oklahoman religion reporter Carla Hinton wrote a piece titled, “Blogging boosts dialogue.” (The online version of the article is titled, “Southern Baptists’ access to information a click away.”)

Wade Burleson, Wes Kenney and Debbie Kaufman receive press for their participation in blogging. Burleson noted his interest began while serving on the Board of Trustees of the IMB. Most, if not all, Outpost readers would be familiar with Burleson. Hopeful blogging would bring more information, transparency and accountability Burleson began blogging chiefly regarding policy changes at the IMB. Since that time Wade has posted on a variety of subject.

Kenney is one of the four founders of SBCToday according to the article. He too considers the goal of of SBCToday to provide information and a place to dialogue primarily about Baptist identity issues. Comments are moderated and when the moderators consider a comment unhelpful will delete it informing its author.

Kenney took the occasion to point up the difference between the aims of SBCToday and another blog SBCTooDazed. On the one hand those at SBCToday contend for a focus on issues rather than personalities. Kenney suggested SBCTooDazed makes personality the issue. I checked out SBCTooDazed and find it not too dissimilar from early parody sites of SBCOutpost. Anyone remember “Marty binDuren?” In fact, those parody attempts used satire just the same to draw attention to the authors differing perspectives. The parody sites of SBCOutpost were also offered by anonymous authors. We too, the Outpost Team, may eschew the method but I did find the content of SBCTooDazed to, more often than not, address an issue raised by SBCToday once getting past the name changes.

I, like Kenney, may prefer a different forum for discussion. But, I do recall reading those early parody sites to hone my own understanding and hope to get an idea of the author’s particular nuance of an argument or difference of opinion. If someone takes the time to write, it may even be a compliment, though I may not think so.

Debbie Kaufman finds blogs helpful to her understanding of issues in the SBC. She notes a regular regimen of research she hopes will continue to make her a more informed voter.
Doubtless one could spend inordinate time perusing the innumerable SBC blogs. Some write blogs with a narrow focus on SBC issues/politics. Others write with their local church in mind. Still others write for a combination of audiences. Careful reading may indeed offer information worthy of consideration. Conversation, as noted in the previous post, would be a great outcome.

There is little doubt each of these bloggers intend to shape opinion. Any change that comes will be a result of any number of factors - thoughtful content, welcome diversity in conversation, and the receptivity to other ideas by the reader among a host of others.

Let’s Not Lose This One to Spin

Topic: Around the SBC, Conversation, Missionaries, News, Todd Littleton| 47 Comments »

Recently Nathan Finn wrote a fine piece alerting the SBC to the realities of the Internet. In an even handed manner Finn noted the mediums used to chart a new course in the SBC by those who used, “computer mailing lists” and the like. Some recall “Town Hall” styled meetings and “Whistle Stop” tours rallying troops to stand with the assertive new leaders to stem the tide of liberalism, rescue the denomination and ensure the authority of the Scriptures. Enter Al Gore’s “Internet” and look out. Conference calls and snail mail fliers cannot compete with the speed of a DSL connection, a chat program and yes, one’s own website.

These developments give anyone, including me, an occasion to opine about something, anything. Occasionally good questions will be asked and, though not often enough, healthy conversation ensues.

Yesterday while listening to KOSU, Sooner fans don’t excoriate me, an opinion piece was aired drawing attention to the influence of the postmodern mood on our culture. The speaker considers the incessant, and petulant, chasing after conspiracy theories to be something of an expression of the loss of truth to “my truth.” Critiques in our quarters, Southern Baptist that is, regarding postmodern philosophy and its influential mood often point up the loss of meaning for a given text. Or, to put it another way, rather than let the text speak we seem to practice the literary theory to have emerged from or within the postmodern shift, namely “Reader-Response Theory.”

The assumed meaning of the text shifted from what the author may have intended to the reader’s interpretive framework - preconceptions, psychological proclivities and long-held biases. Many who read here at the Outpost, and many who say they don’t but do, want very much to rest in the perspicuity of Scripture - that is, there is a plain meaning of the text. Authorial intent and its form hold what is needed. Yet, since words are on the screen you our faithful readers and detractors will decide for yourselves what is said and what is intended. It is always a risk someone will “mis-read” or “mis-interpret” what is being typed.

I recently wrote a piece here describing my thoughts on recent Lifeway research. One interlocutor determined I lay claim to “Kreskin” like skills and wrote a piece asserting I knew the hidden motive of another thereby questioning my motives. Imagine my shock and amazement, not to mention un-mitiaged belief, that same writer who finds the Outpost a great source of material, writes a response to the recent Rodney Hammer letter released by The Biblical Recorder snooping as it were among the paragraphs and sentences for a conspiracy to expose. That’s right, Rodney Hammer looks to bring down the IMB by making his opinion public and asserting the need to re-think policy. Having sought to express himself to the point of reprimand, he wrote to me, to us, to say “I am concerned.” If the best someone can do is come along and look for a conspiracy in accountability then said person has way too much time on their hands. Furthermore, if this is the best kind of defense, we in Okie land call it “mis-direction” recalling the bygone days of the amazing “Wishbone” era of Sooner Football, critics and the like have to offer then “Nashville, we have a problem.”

Let me make my motives clear. I hold no animosity for another who seems given to twist the obvious. I simply believe that when a man stands on his convictions and is willing to take the heat in the public square then we must listen to his words and not to the ruminations or imaginations of another. Yes, yes, dear reader you will comb the archives being sure to note every instance where we here at the Outpost may have done the same. So before you do it, “Shame on us.” If we have attributed motives to another without proper verification we stand under your scrutinizing eye. But, if we have knowledge of another’s motive and for whatever reason determine not to share it - yes, I am invoking the reality of anonymity here - you will have to take extra Rolaids at what will appear to you a contradiction.

My hope, read “motive,” is that we could really engage in honest, healthy conversation. Calling someone’s motive into question, assuming we know the strength of another’s “ecclesiology” based solely on a comment in a post thread, or ramping up our rhetoric charging ecumenism or the loss of inerrancy to hijack an otherwise honest attempt at dialog is in view. No hidden agenda here. No attempt to subvert what it means to be a Baptist.

Oh, and while I am at it, there is little credibility in slamming Ben Cole, or referring to him in dark terms. Your cries and laments fall helplessly on deaf ears when you claim to want to engage in honest conversation. For our dear critics, like a good addict, you return driving site statistics with your curiosity as to who will slam Ben next or what “juicy” post will follow. Posts offering thoughtful ideas and interjections into the future of the SBC, denominations and the like to you are as boring and uneventful as watching paint dry. So, let’s, in the motive of this post, have an honest conversation. We like to read the tabloid stuff. Our leaders were masters of the invective. They could rally the troops with just the right euphemisms whether or not they accurately described the situation and or person or not.

So, the motive of this post - call attention to Rodney Hammer’s words. Read them understanding his concerns only serve as a tip of the proverbial iceberg. Southwestern Alums recently received their fund-raising letters asking for contributions to keep the lights on. Is it increasing or decreasing enrollment? We here at the Outpost often receive communiques from the mission field noting a lack of resources for “evangelism” and matters they are not to speak of but are certainly causing a great deal of discomfit and interruption in service. Let’s not spin this one. No amount of posturing is going to solve our dilemmas. Open and honest conversation will be the way forward.

I hope I have illustrated that. With that, I point you to Hammer’s letter.

The Biblical Recorder posted the full letter from Rodney Hammer which had been leaked in “bits” around the Internet according to the Recorder. We direct your attention to the letter with no commentary on the content.

Marty Sandiego Is Not Who We Thought He Was

Topic: Denominations, SBC, SBC News| 5 Comments »

Interrupted for breaking news we continue Marty “Carmen Sandiego” Duren’s series we have themed, “Where is the SBC?” Since Marty dropped off the Outpost map some conjectured his displeasure with the Outpost. Instead, Marty has been living out of the reality he now experiences and is writing here in part 2.

We’re Not Who We Thought We Were.

One of the more replayed video clips over the last few years was that of NFL head coach Dennis Green of the Arizona Cardinals. Following a loss to the Chicago Bears in 2006, which his team had led 24-3 in the fourth quarter, came the inevitable press conference. An obviously ticked Green exploded like a man who’d been celebrating Cinco de Mayo for a month. “The Bears are who we thought they were,” has become a favorite line for sports fans ever since. What Green was saying was, “They had nothing on us. They were the team we prepared for and we let them off the hook. We should have won the game.” It was slightly more colorful in the original language.

In thinking through this series, the word “disintegration” was intentionally chosen over the word “collapse.” I do not think that we will wake up one morning in the next year to find that the United Methodists, the Lutherans, Episcopalians (in their various stripes) or SBC will have closed the doors and shuttered the windows. I do think that we will continue to see decreasing viability of meaningful gospel influence in these organizations to the point that, like water against a rock, the slow erosion results in an unstable foundation and eventual cessation of denominational existence.

Linked in Ed Stetzer’s warning shot were two papers by J. Clifford Tharp, Jr. one with the following chart indicating “Total Membership” and “Resident Membership.”

Tharp’s brief analysis included these three points: 1. Trends in Membership (both Total and Resident) are becoming very flat; 2. Total Membership is dangerously close to beginning to decrease; 3. The gap between Total Membership and Resident Membership is widening. Observant readers will notice that if the top line flattens and the gap between the two widens, then necessarily the bottom line is beginning or continuing a downward arc. On this chart, that means that Resident Membership is decreasing. As we know and will soon reconsider, Resident Membership itself is a misleading measure of biblical membership and should not be considered an accurate accounting.

We’re not who we thought we were.

A second chart (below) tracks SBC baptisms from 1950-2004.

As you can see, baptisms have remained virtually static for more than 1/2 a century (there is a minuscule increase of 45 per year). The US population in 1950 was 152,271,417. Non-stop growth brought us to 281,421,906 by the year 2000. In a non-scientific but well thought through series of observations, Nathan Finn suggests that the Southern Baptist Convention is probably reaching no more than 100,000 “unreached Americans” per year while in their book, “Who Will Be Saved?,” Paul House and Greg Thornbury write:

Statistics compiled by the North American Mission Board…reveal that as many as half of all adults baptized in Southern Baptist churches are rebaptisms of persons already baptized by Southern Baptist pastors. Another 40 percent of adults baptized are Christians from other denominations who have never been immersed. Only ten percent of all adults baptized in Southern Baptist churches are making first-time professions of faith.

And this from what is widely considered the most evangelistic denomination in the U.S.

We’re not who we thought we were.

In her new book, The Fall of the Evangelical Nation, Christine Wicker takes both Southern Baptists and evangelicals to task for their faulty reporting of their actual membership totals. She notes, for example, that:

Only 7 percent of members who’ve been in a Southern Baptist church five years of less are true converts, meaning sinners who weren’t raised in the church but came through a profession of faith in Jesus. If you took out the Southern Baptists who married unbelievers and brought them to faith, hardly anybody would be left.

Behind the thesis is that there are not nearly as many committed, Bible believing, Bible following Christians in American as we have all been led to believe, the former Dallas Morning News writer (and former Southern Baptist) pegs SBC active membership at just north of four million. Though Wicker finds herself somewhere between an agnosticism and an reluctant atheisism, her understanding of what genuine church membership should be is decent. She refuses to acknowledge that the SBC consists of 16+ million members, stating, “How many members a church has is a pretty worthless measure of reality…[only] about two-thirds are even residents of the same town as the churches they belong to.”

We’re not who we thought we were.

Not content with exposing the SBC’s lack of clothing, Wicker also points out that the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) does not have its claimed and oft trumpeted 30 million members. There are sixty denominations that make up the membership of the NAE including the Assemblies of God, Church of God, Church of the Nazarene and the Evangelical Free Church of America. According to Wicker’s research, the total membership of the fifty member denominations listed in the Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches 2007, the American Religion Statistical Archives and the denominations’ own Web sites the grand total of the members is 7.6 million people. Active membership would be much less–less than half actually. So, what of the elusive 30 million count we’ve all heard. No one, not even NAE president Leith Anderson knows for sure. The 1990 NAE record listed only 4.5 total members.

We’re not who we thought we were.

What does this mean? Is the issue a matter of simple math? No. The issue is that, not only have we been well behind the population growth curve, we didn’t have as great a number in the starting blocks as we had been led to believe. Since every age group of baptisms is decreasing except those who are under five years old and since the number of those graduating from high school and leaving church is increasing and since the ranks of admitted unbelievers is the fastest growing “faith” category in the US, there simply are not going to be enough people to keep denominations, which are dependent on heavy financial investment, afloat. As denominationally oriented church members age and die (and they already are) younger people will not give tithes to churches that insist on supporting failing bureaucracies, thus leading further down the Post Denominational road.

We’re not who we thought we were.

Drinking Deep From the Well of Relativism

Topic: Alan Cross, Guest Author, IMB, SBC| 12 Comments »

One of the young pastors I have come to know over the last couple of years is Alan Cross. He blogs at Downshoredrift. Alan has led his church to partner in India. He takes an active role in his local association. And, Alan wonders about the SBC drift - a drift into relativism.

We seem to have a problem with agreeing about truth in Southern Baptist life. Over the past few weeks, we have seen information come out that tells us that Southern Baptists are in decline - and, we have argued over it. We have seen competing resolutions submitted on integrity in church membership - and, we have argued over it. Yesterday, Dr. Patterson released a First Person article that basically says that things are not that bad numbers wise, and what ails us is weak preaching and culture chasing. Dr. Page recently said that half of all SBC churches could vanish by 2030. I suppose we’ll argue over that as well. No matter how you look at it, Southern Baptists are in crisis, and we continue to argue over it. We are at each other’s throats and we refuse to listen to one another. Is God pleased? Truth on these matters seems to be elusive, or maybe it is just held captive to our own opinions.

On top of all of this is the resignation of Rodney Hammer, the Central and Eastern Europe Regional Leader for the IMB. Mr. Hammer tells a disturbing story of trying to speak to the trustees regarding the policies on baptism and private prayer language, without much success. Finally, he was allowed to speak with a group of trustees, but his concerns were dismissed. Hammer’s statements regarding the lack of a problem on the field related to charismatic practices dispute what former IMB trustee chaiman Tom Hatley said in 2006 when he said that, we were receiving concerns from the field, from pastors and others returning from mission trips, and from trustees visiting the field. The concerns were varied, but the three greatest doctrinal concerns were the need for a consistent definition of a local church, a poor understanding of the importance of scriptural baptism and charismatic problems that would intrude into some of our mission work.” There were many statements made that these new policies were in response to problems on the field. Hammer says that there were no problems with charismatic issues on the field in his region and he seems to imply that that was the case in ALL the regions of the IMB. This was a big enough deal for a Regional Leader of the IMB to resign over. If what he is saying is true, we should all be very alarmed. Unfortunately, we continue to turn and look the other way, or, we just argue about what it means. So, how do we make sense of this?

From Mr. Hammer’s perspective, there were no problems with charismatic practices on the field. There were policies in place that forbid a missionary to advocate one spiritual gift as normative to all believers or to publicly practice speaking in tongues. These policies were sufficient to eliminate any problems. But, from Mr. Hatley’s view, there were problems anyway. Could it be that the problems that Mr. Hatley heard of and referred to were enlarged in his mind because of his predetermined prejudice or the prejudice of those telling the stories? Could it be that the IMB Board of Trustees, filled with people who feared anything that might resemble charismatic practice, were biased to begin with? If all of the Regional Leaders of the IMB told the Board of Trustees that there was no problem, then what justification do the trustees have in changing the policies to eliminate a non-existent problem? Could it be that their own theological bias was all the basis that they needed? Apparently, the problem was the mere existence of IMB missionaries who had a private prayer language or were baptized differently, whether they were a problem or not. It was a theological issue.

That is a somewhat defensible position logically, even if many believe that they exceeded their perogative as trustees because they created doctrinal policy that went beyond the BFM2000. But, the position falls apart when the trustees allowed current violators of the new policies to stay on the field. Basically, violators were grandfathered in. Under what basis was the “truth” of the trustees compromised? Hatley says that it was deemed to be “fair” to the previous missionaries who had a ppl to continue to serve as long as they did not violate the other policies about making charismatic teachings public. This is very confusing for a denomination that claims to be guided by “truth.” Either practicioners of ppl are wrong and they believe in doctrine that is harmful to the churches and thus, they should not be on the field, or, it is possible for them to faithfully serve as IMB missionaries while still holding to their convictions if they do so in a way that is not divisive. The IMB Board of Trustees is espousing both positions at the same time, but they seem to agree that practicioners of ppl can be good Southern Baptist missionaries, otherwise, why are they allowing them to stay on the field? To be fair? Truth is not always fair. If they want to be consistent, they should remove all of the IMB missionaries that have a private prayer language. But, there is no reason to do that, as Mr. Hammer has said, because there were no problems on the field. It becomes a theological issue that was important enough to tear apart the SBC for the past several years, but it was not important enough to currently protect our mission work from the dangers of missionaries with a private prayer language. If the trustees really believe both contradictory positions at the same time, then how can they adequately lead the IMB? The logical implications of such relativism causes the mind to swim.

Are the trustees liars? From their perspective, they are not lying. I would tend to agree. But, there is another issue. Mr. Hammer and the rest of the Regional Leaders say that there were no problems with charismatic issues. Mr. Hatley refers to some reports from trustees and mission teams returning from the field that says that there were problems. Who do we believe? The trustees or the Regional Leaders? For the trustees, it seems that their theological position has prejudiced them to believe what they already feared to be the case, despite the direct testimony of the Regional Leaders. So, what is truth? Is truth what can be confirmed and proven, or is it what is proclaimed relative to the perspective of the person speaking? Is truth verified outside of us by some standard, or is it established by those who hold power and can speak the loudest? The SBC after the Conservative Resurgence claims to be a denomination built on truth, yet again and again we turn away from the truth that can be verified and proven in our dealings with one another, to the truth that is proclaimed to by those in power relative to their experiences and presuppositions. That is the fallacy of postmodern relativism and it appears that our SBC leadership is eaten up with it.

Dr. Patterson told us in his First Person article that a weakness in the SBC right now is that we are in “hot pursuit of cultural adaptibility.” I agree. Since we live in an age of postmodern relativism, I believe that our leadership should repent of such sin and deal with issues in a way that affirms absolute truth instead of giving into moral relativism because it appears to be easier at the time. But, the problem remains: Whose truth? Who gets to decide what truth is on these issues? Apparently, whoever is in power at the time. And that relativistic state of affairs makes power more important than truth in today’s SBC. Will God bless this?

“He Said, He Said”

Topic: Baptist Press, People In The News, SBC| 29 Comments »

In 2004 Jimmy Draper sensed the graying of the SBC. He called leaders to take an initiative to engage and encourage young leaders. Intent to do as he suggested Draper planned a Road Trip stopping in a number of cities to share a conversation with those who would. Paul and I attended one of these “listening sessions” at the First Baptist Church, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Unsure of what constituted “young” in “young leader,” we found the conversations interesting to say the least. There is little doubt some things encouraged Dr. Draper while others confirmed his concern.

Several years ago I was invited to preach out our State Pastor’s Conference. I was the “young” preacher. I caught the early session, the one before the big hitters show up. I stayed for the meeting and told a couple of our staff members that if we continued as we were, it would not be long before our Pastor’s Conference became extinct. The issue was not the preaching. Rather the event illustrated the same statistics offered by Lifeway regarding the age of SBC Annual Meeting messengers/attendees. The number of “young” pastors/preachers may have scraped 15% of those in attendance. [I want to be quick to note, we have great fellowship and some solid preaching at our Pastor’s Conferences. My comments are not intended to denigrate our efforts at bringing challenging speakers to our events. Instead, the intent is to illustrate the dearth of young pastors in terms of percentage of attendance.] That is how I was introduced to the changing world of SBC denominational debate.

Recently, the ACP report indicated a membership decline. Several days after everyone seemed to agree there was a problem, few would disagree we are losing many young leaders, and most agree we need a plan for unity, Paige Patterson shows up with a long, rambling, analysis, swinging at everyone. (Is this the longest First Person ever, coming in at over 1800 words?)

Pay careful attention to the word games. Up to this point few would run from CR as Conservative Resurgence. Dr. Patterson chooses to recast the conversation in terms of a “Conservative Renaissance.” Not enough to quibble for most but a definite attempt to seize the conversation. Four “culprits” take the blame for the “decline” that is really not a decline. Occasionally willing to note direct correlations cannot be made, Dr. Patterson implies he has a handle on the declining numbers.

One of the more amusing moments is when Dr. Patterson takes a swipe at Dr. Frank Page. Frank is quoted in the Associated Press saying Baptists are often seen as mean spirited. (Does anyone really disagree with this????) A Google Search revealed only Dr. Frank Page is quoted describing the SBC as often seen as “mean-spirited.” Here at the Outpost are surprised Will Hall of Baptist Press and his boss Morris Chapman would allow the President of one of our seminaries to attack the President of the SBC in this manner. We believe such an action should merit an apology and a retraction. After all, it was agreed our entity heads would not attack one another.

Paige Patterson responds:
Is it also “mean-spirited” to make broad imprecise allegations of “mean-spiritedness”? Are some who make these charges guilty themselves?

Did he just say, “I’m rubber, your glue?” to Frank Page?

Nice.

Patterson objects to the loss of young leaders, asking if they were really ever “of us?” Are we to assume, since Patterson cites 1 John 2:19, that he believes people like Andy Stanley (and many many others) have left the faith—that they are not “of us.” I hope not. And, should we assume here that he is refuting the claims and emphases of men like Stetzer, Draper, and others. Again, I hope not.

Evidently we have a case of, “He said, He said.”

So who wins the day? Some will immediately defer to Dr. Patterson. After all, we owe him a debt for saving the SBC that is not in decline. We owe those who form the inner circle of the SBC a measure of respect for the blood on their swords to rid the SBC of those liberals.

Except in the same day BP is releasing the First Person piece by Patterson we also find Johnny Hunt will be nominated to be President of the SBC in Indianapolis. Ted Traylor will nominate Hunt. Two of the three reasons Traylor outlined for nominating Hunt turned on the issue of young leaders and unity. Evidently Traylor and others believe young leaders are indeed disinterested, if not leaving the SBC. And, rather than looking for gremlins and ghosts, some believe there is a need to unify around the Gospel, that there really is division in the SBC. (Can anyone guess where at least some of that division originates?)

So, you see, it is a, “He said, He said,” matter. Either Dr. Patterson’s analysis is correct, or Stetzer, Draper, Traylor, Page, Hunt, Aikin, Rainer, George, Dockery among others see the recent news as a clarion call not to call ghostbusters, but to face the facts. As with all things Baptist – you get to be the judge.

three, four, five … Breaking News">And then there were three, four, five … Breaking News

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Pathways is reporting Avery Willis will be nominated by John Marshall in Indiana to be the next President of the SBC. No wait, word is out Johnny Hunt will also be nominated. Three. Four. Five. Some seem to be forgetting Wiley Drake.

Where In the World is Marty Duren?

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1985. Some mark 1985 as something of a watershed in the survival of the Conservative Resurgence. It was the year of the Peace Committee appointment (the report came in 1987). It was the year of the Battle in Big D. It served the high water mark for messenger registration - more than 45,000.  It was the year the New York Times reported it unlikely the two groups vying for control of the SBC would find a way forward together. It was the year of the re-election of Charles Stanley. It was the year. It was the year of, “Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego?”

Marty Duren was a young lad - in his mid 20’s. Who knows where he was geographically or historically. In fact, who knew Marty Duren? Who cared? After Jimmy Draper’s alert the SBC was losing young leaders, Marty emerged as an interested “young leader.” Once the Lifeway message board devolved into something of a pointless exercise in the way forward Steve McCoy and Marty Duren initiated blogs of their own.

Marty is the originator of SBCOutpost.com. Too often critics assume Marty’s withdrawal from regular contributions to the Outpost signaled a separation from anyone who sought to keep the Outpost viable and alive. Recently, it was reported the Outpost would soon be defunct. Should the Outpost ever cease it will come on the back of sentiments similar to what Marty will explicate in a series he began today at ie:missional. Detractors, Baptist Identity constituents, and many others will break open a soda and celebrate if we ever fade into the history of Baptist blogs. Some of us believe those who need a fight need the Outpost. Something like the fact that Rush Limbaugh needs a Clinton in the White House.

So, with that lengthy introduction we will re-post Marty’s series here with permission. We will learn, “Where In the World is Marty Duren?”

The Impending Disintegration of American Denominationalism

Posted by: Marty Duren in Church, Culture, God, Gospel, Life, Mission, Missional, News

Ten months ago when I began this blog, I purposed not to engage in discussion about the denomination in which I have pastored, the Southern Baptist Convention, unless it crossed paths with a subject about which I was writing. This is one of those times.

A recent report from missiologist Ed Stetzer of Lifeway Christian Resources indicated that the Southern Baptist Convention, once characterized (because of its cultural dominance) as the Roman Catholic Church of the southern United States, has entered a downward trend of growth which, he predicts, may not turn around. If you are among those who haven’t yet, you can read the initial report here and the follow up article here.

As would have been expected, the report was hailed in some places (see Ed’s comment threads) and questioned in others. The question that does not seem to have been asked during this is simple: Has the time for heavily organized, bureaucratically inefficient denominational structures passed? My thesis is a simple one and flows from what I see happening:

The era of denominationalism is ending, therefore, time and energy spent attempting to revive them is not redeemed time.

Rather than reviving them, we should be having a planned euthanization. I will not be arguing “post-denominational” in the sense of personal preference or lack thereof, but “Post-Denominationalism” in the sense of no SBC, UMC, PCUSA, etc.

Though Stetzer’s commentary is specific to growth patterns in the SBC, all other denominations in the United States are and have been in decline with the single exception of the Assemblies of God which counts but 2.8 million members (2005). Even the respected National Association of Evangelicals has lost some of its luster since the fall of Ted Haggard, though, as we will see, it never had quite as much luster as was thought. Regardless of the denomination none have matched, via conversions, the growth rate of the population (excepting possibly the AoG), so in percentage of population terms all American denominations have been in decline for decades. At best, a few denominations have grown at the expense of others, the common scenario known as “swapping sheep.”

Is the motivation to “save the denomination” a good enough motivation to go into hyper-drive in funds promoting or doomsday scenarios? I don’t think so. When Jesus said to the people of Jerusalem, “Behold, your house [the temple] has been left to you desolate,” He was warning them that there system of belief was coming to an end. There were no more sacrifices needed, no more pouring out of animal blood, no more Day of Atonement; it was over. Their mistake was that they continued to cling to a structure that God Himself had abandoned. Shall we repeat the same mistake?

Writing with an eye to the Southern Baptist Convention, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary prof, Nathan Finn, recently asked:

So does the SBC have a future? It depends upon what you mean by “future.” I suspect the name will be used by some Baptists until Christ comes back. I also think the people called Southern Baptists will always have denominational entities that they financially support. So in one sense, I remain confident that Southern Baptists are here to stay. But if by “future” one means a vital existence in God’s economy, I have my doubts. Collectively, I fear we are too insular, too sectarian, too pugnacious, too “Southern,” too reactionary, too pragmatic, and for sure too proud to have any real future.

While I appreciate Nathan’s balanced thinking, I, for one, am not convinced that any denomination is here to stay and am convinced that the era, like the telegraph, is passing into the historical record and that we have entered the Post-Denominational (PD) era.

Commenting on Ed Stetzer’s original post, SEBTS prof Alvin Reid noted,

For several semesters I have asked our students “how many of you came from an SBC church?” The vast majority. Then I ask, “How many of you want to go back and serve a church just like that?” Almost none. These are seminarians, the ones we still have, and they see a serious need for change. Again, this is anecdotal and simplistic, but here is another idea–have someone do a survey of current seminarians to find out who they listen to on podcasts? Might be revealing.

This is not merely true of the SBC as other denominations are dealing with the same issues. No one is important enough to have cornered the market here.

Also responding to Stetzer was SEBTS president, Danny Akin, who said,

I could not agree with your assessment more! I go to bed thinking about this every night and wake up the same.We are in serious trouble. Our denomination is at a crisis moment and we will either repent, seek the forgiveness and mercy of God and perhaps experience a true and genuine revival from our Lord, or we will continue our present course and simply fade away with the Lord Jesus justly removing His hand of blessing.

But what if no amount of repentance and seeking of forgiveness will bring revival and revitalization to the SBC or any other denomination? What if, like the sacrificial system, their time has run it’s course and God is preparing a new thing? I pray that it will be embraced rather than feared.

Over the next few posts, I will be exploring why I think we will continue down the road toward a Post-Denominationalism world. We’ll see that the SBC and evangelicals have not had either the numbers or the power that we’ve thought and will continue to lose both in the US; that the Kingdom of God is shifting again (as it has before) this time from dominance in the West; and that technology has rendered the need for heavily bureaucratic, densely centralized, financially profligate organizational structures obsolete and that the lessening of the influence of denominations in culture will be inversely proportional to the influence of local churches networking in culture.

Much Ado About Something

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In late February the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma hosted its second Missional Ministry Conference. One of the featured speakers, Ed Stetzer, offered illustration of recent Lifeway Research during a breakout session. During the Q and A he sought to break down some of the technical features of statistical analysis for we average folks. I was left thinking it may be good to include a course in statistics for seminary students - and so we pastors.

I, like many pastors, tend to watch “trends.” For example, one of the trends I have watched over the past five or so years is attendance. Now that is not to imply some kind of weird disinterest in previous years. Instead, I began noticing attendance patterns changing in our church. I will go out on a limb and say ours is not the only church where attendance has “leveled” after a period of growth while we have continued to see additions to our membership over the years. Since we place such an emphasis upon the size of a church in order to imbue another with a sense of honor and prestige it is nigh impossible for we pastor types to leave attendance concerns to someone else. Why, when news breaks about a potential SBC President, it seems we always find mention of the size of church and the kind of growth of said church during the tenure of the “prestigious” pastor. But, I digress.

Growing up in an SBC church meant gauging “regular” attendance by weekly attendance. Over these past five years or so I have found we may need to re-think “regular” attendance. I cannot recall where I read it but it seems that we (SBC) have even adjusted our ruler for “regular” attendance to twice a month, and maybe even monthly. What do these patterns mean? We self-conscious types wonder what we may have done, who we may have neglected, what we have forgotten. After all, when attendance flags the most dreaded description has become, “plateaued or declining.” Yet, I wonder how often that particular category denigrates the work of a local congregation because analysts fail to take into account a host of factors involved in any given local context. When we see the trends we ratchet up our rhetoric and cast about for ways to invigorate and inspire to new heights (read: numbers).

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