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Downshore Drifts into Hopeful Territory

Topic: Alan Cross, Indianapolis 2008, Weblogs| 26 Comments »

Some of us were unable to attend the SBC Annual Meeting in Indianapolis. We are grateful for those who Twittered (Ed Stetzer) and blogged (Tom Ascol and others). Technology allowed many of us to listen in from the outside (like Timmy Brister). Alan Cross may have watched the entire meeting from gavel to gavel. He offers his thoughts in the following piece re-posted here with permission. We offer this post as you anticipate the return of the flag waving Ben Cole.

June 11, 2008

Convention Finale: Does the SBC Have a Future?

I have written a great deal about the SBC over the past few days because I had a sense that what would be decided and discussed would have significance for the long term. I was pretty gloomy last night (Tuesday) about the overall tone of the convention, primarily because nothing was done about the IMB policies. But, after listening to Al Gilbert’s covention sermon, hearing from the other speakers, seeing the passage of the resolution on regenerate church membership, and hearing the idea of a Great Commission Resurgence mentioned again and again, I am of the belief that the SBC leadership is moving in the right direction. Here’s why: They are finally publically saying that they believe that there is something dreadfully wrong and they are taking steps to address it. As Dr. Frank Page said in his sermon, we have to see ourselves ae we really are and go to Jesus for change. On some levels, it appears as though we are doing that.

Apart from Dr. Patterson’s claims that the SBC will be rescued by swarms of Southwestern graduates beating back the vultures attacking the SBC, the triumphalistic tone that has marked so many of our meetings was missing. There was a great deal more humility and recognition that we are in trouble. There was an awareness that all biblically conservative, BF&M affirming Baptists need to be mobilized to reach a dying world for Christ. It was the tone that Dr. Frank Page promised us when he became president two years ago in Greensboro. He has delivered.

When I went to my first convention two years ago, I was a part of a small group of Baptist Bloggers calling for reform. I met up with guys like Marty Duren, Art Rogers, Todd and Paul Littleton, Ben Cole, Wade Burleson, Kevin Bussey, CB Scott, Micah Fries, Tom Ascol, David Phillips, and others who were saying that we were facing dramatic problems and that we had to reform and become missional or we would die. The reform group changed by adding new people and losing others, but the basic message stayed the same.  The small movement was initiated by the IMB policies that overstepped the BF&M, but it tapped into the truth that the SBC is losing members, young leaders, and ground. We are declining in baptisms and our churches are aging. We knew that something had to be done and so we hit on multiple fronts. My main focus was the IMB policies, because I felt that if they were rescended it would keep the door open for missionaries to get to the field and it would also send a message to the SBC that we do not need to narrow the doctrinal parameters of cooperation. My vision did not exceed that because I thought that getting the whole convention to move in a missional direction was a hopeless cause. Others, like Ben Cole, saw the main problem as being Dr. Patterson at Southwestern. Others, like Marty Duren, focused more on bringing a missional perspective to the SBC, and we all watched people like Steve McCoy and Joe Thorn who did more than talk about it. Then, you had the Calvinist perspective from folks like Tom Ascol and Timmy Brister. We never all agreed with one another and there were many parts of the reform movement that that some of us rejected. But, all of this came together to provide an unending, and I believe, God provoked push for change.  Unfortunately, those calling for change did not always do so in a God-honoring way and the movement sometimes struggled because of that.

It seems that the reform movement of bloggers, however it was defined, is dead. It ran out of gas and imploded upon itself, largely because it was constantly reacting against the problems of the establishment. And they were many. Few of the original most prominent leaders are blogging about the SBC anymore. I stopped writing on Downshoredrift.com on SBC issues almost a year ago, although I continued commenting on a few other blogs. But, even though the unorganized movement of passionate young pastors has died, it seems that many of the ideas that were espoused have made it from computer keyboards to the very platform and back room decisions of the SBC. No one can look at this convention and compare it to Greensboro in 2006 and not see the ideas and dreams of the reformers all over it. As Nathan Finn said when I called him for his impressions of the convention, “The Convention has come together in consensus around a Great Commission Resurgence.” Contrary to what many might think, this change in direction from triumphalism about how great the SBC is to an awareness that we are in trouble and either need to change or die, has nothing to do with politics. There has been no conspiracy. There has been no attempt to grab a seat at the table and control things. People are just beginning to wake up and see the truth. Statistics about declining baptisms, dying churches, and a large portion of pastors who disagree with the IMB policies/guidelines has caused many in leadership to begin to step forward. We had SIX people run for SBC president this year!  Four years ago, we only had one, pre-anointed “candidate.” Times have changed. Love for our churches, the lost, and the SBC has caused many who were willing to either ignore the obvious or stand silently by while others put their stamp on the future of the SBC to step forward and begin to lead.

In my opinion, the Baptist Identity movement has lost any significant influence in the SBC. The forces that stacked the trustee board of the IMB to deliver those horrendous policies are seeing the beginning of the end of their influence. The SBC is moving in a different direction and it is leaving them behind. This is happening because people all over convention leadership are able to see the truth of the challenges that we are facing and they are well aware that the Baptist Identity group out of Southwestern has no real answers. We need Biblical truth and Spirit given power for trying times, not extrabiblical restrictions that put us under the dominion of man’s tradition instead of God’s Spirit.

While I see a lot of good signs and I believe that the yeast of the reform movement has spread throughout the dough of the leadership of the SBC in an organic, unpredictable, and unexpected way, it is just a beginning. Recognizing that you have a problem is only the first step and it’s taken us a couple of years to get to this point. We need leadership who can now assess what needs to die and what needs to live. How do we begin to address the problems that we face? How do we reposition ourselves to quit fighting one another and turn to face a dying world? How do we reclaim a missional theology that leads us outside of ourselves to appropriately engage those who do not know Jesus? How do we reconnect our churches with the power of the Holy Spirit and intimacy with Christ? After we have addressed how to do these things, doing them is another matter entirely. That is yet another step. Then, we must actually come to the point of renewal and effectiveness so that we can bear fruit for the Kingdom. The leaders who have brought us to this point may be unable to bring us further. So many of our current leaders have compromised themselves because they have been trying to maintain what we already have and have served the SBC rather than serving God. But, what we have is dying. New leadership is needed to birth what God has for us.

Overall, I am more encouraged about Johnny Hunt as president of the SBC than I was Tuesday. But, his position really is irrelevant at this point. The change that is coming will not come from convention leadership. It will not come from our entities or denominational leaders. No, the change that is coming is going to come from the local churches. Many will die, but many will emerge to lead the way into this new reality. Pastors and churches networking together to become more effective in reaching their communities and world will be the future of the SBC. The large, top heavy, money sucking, bureaucracy that the SBC has become is going to begin to be dismantled if we are serious about a Great Commission Resurgence. This will happen because one of the biggest things that keeps the SBC from being relevant and effective is the SBC denominational apparatus. Effective leaders with more fidelity to Christ than the SBC will realize this. Churches are paralyzed because they are waiting for the denominational structures to tell them what to do. For Baptist churches to awaken, they have to become Baptist churches again - vibrant, autonomous, spirit filled, life giving outposts/communities of the Kingdom. Local churches do not exist to make the SBC strong. If the SBC is to exist at all, it must be to serve the churches.

So, does the SBC have a future?  I still don’t know.  The fragmented vision of the reformers is, in part, beginning to be realized. But, there is still a long way to go. I will predict that the future will likely be a mixture of all facets of Baptist heritage and life. A diverse array of churches, leaders, and common people will come together to define the future of the SBC if we are to have one at all. They will be biblical conservatives. That battle has been fought and won. But, if we are to truly believe the Bible, then we will have to be a people who care more about the expansion of the Kingdom of God than we care about our own size, strength, and glory. We must decrease and Jesus must increase. Positive steps toward that were taken this week. I hope we start running in that direction in the future.

Weekend Preview

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The following schedule will guide SBCOutpost readers regarding the forthcoming posts written by one increasingly disinterested but always provocative contributor to this collaborative effort.

Saturday, June 7, 2008 — “We’re Off To See the Wizard: Attending the 2008 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention.”

Sunday, June 8, 2008 — “Thoughts on the presidency of Frank Page”

Monday, June 9, 2008 — “Of hairpieces and handkerchiefs: Casual observations about the SBC Pastors Conference.”

Tuesday, June 10, 2008 — “SBC Indy 2008: Day One Review”

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 — “SBC Indy 2008: On resolutions and other non-binding non-sense.”

Friday, June 13, 2008 — “The Exit Strategy”

UPDATE:  I’m running behind schedule on the first post, which I will finish en route to Indianapolis early Sunday morning.  Stay tuned . . .

three, four, five … Breaking News">And then there were three, four, five … Breaking News

Topic: Indianapolis 2008, News, Todd Littleton| 16 Comments »

Pathways is reporting Avery Willis will be nominated by John Marshall in Indiana to be the next President of the SBC. No wait, word is out Johnny Hunt will also be nominated. Three. Four. Five. Some seem to be forgetting Wiley Drake.

Bill Wagner - The James Galyon Interview

Topic: Indianapolis 2008, Weblogs| 10 Comments »

Earlier this week James Galyon posted an interview with Bill Wagner specifically related to his position on missions and Dr. Wagner’s publicly stated position on Calvinism as it relates to missions and evangelism. Dr. Galyon does a fine job in this interview and we link to it as we all continue to consider who might serve as the next President of the SBC.

More of the Same … UPDATED

Topic: Frank Cox, Indianapolis 2008, Outpost Team| 90 Comments »

Questions swirl when it comes to the introduction of a new name of President of the SBC. In a previous post we a few of us on the Outpost Team noted Frank Cox appears to be more of an insider than a reformer. Many who read here believe things are fine and so an insider would be dandy. Others believe Frank Page’s election signaled a different tone and tenor. We A few of us on the Outpost Team wonder if the following selections to serve in the Georgia Baptist Convention would be indicative of the pattern Frank Cox would use when appointing the Committee on Committees for the SBC should he be elected. If so, it is hard to suggest, we a few of us on the Outpost Team believe, we would not be returning to much of the same prior to Page.

From the Christian Index, November 22, 2007 edition, report from the GBC annual meeting
( http://www.christianindex.org/3869.article ):

Education Commission:
Matthew Waymack, North Metro First Baptist Church

Georgia Baptist Historical Commission:
Gwen Newman, North Metro First Baptist Church

Georgia Baptist Foundation:
DeWitt Cox, North Metro First Baptist Church

Baptist Village Retirement Communities:
Edna Cox, North Metro First Baptist Church

Shorter College:
Ken Watkins, North Metro First Baptist Church

Five out of 90 open slots (non-Exec Committee) were filled from a single church. One guess as to who the pastor is.

Mohler: Count me out . . .

Topic: Al Mohler, Indianapolis 2008| 24 Comments »

Baptist Press is reporting that Southern Seminary President Al Mohler has withdrawn his candidacy for president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

It has also been announced that Dr. Mohler will be having additional medical procedures related to a colonoscopy completed this week. Our prayers go out to Dr. Mohler and his family, as well as to Southern Seminary.

Read the story here.

Who Is Frank Cox?

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Sometimes it is better to get scooped so one may offer more than a repeat of what may be found in Baptist Press. We have been busy asking around to find out more about Frank Cox. Here is what we have confirmed from several sources.

1. Frank Cox is a well known insider in the SBC having served on multiple committees in SBC life.
    a. Past President of the Georgia Baptist Convention
    b. Past 1st VP of the SBC
    c. Member of Exec. Comm. for 9 years
    d. SBC Funding Study Committee
    e. Ad Hoc Cooperative Program Committee
    f. SBC Resolutions Committee
 
2. Frank Cox is well known in Georgia, perhaps best known for preaching revivals for churches across the Southeast. He is willing to preach in churches of all sizes and not only “large” churches.
3. Frank Cox was one of three on the shortlist for President at Lifeway, along with Georgia Exec. Bob White
4. Junior Hill has told people he nominates Frank Cox out of concern for Mohler’s Calvinism. Thus, Cox is the non-Calvinist candidate.
5. Frank Cox is firmly in the old line pre-Frank Page mold. Thus, he and Mohler share much in common.
6. Frank Cox and Al Mohler would seem to have the same agenda, returning to more of a “pre Frank Page” SBC.
7. Frank Cox is considered to be the candidate of choice for the Georgia Baptist Exec position when the need for a replacement arises.
8. Frank Cox seemed to believe the SBC to be moving in the right direction so while President the the Georgia Baptist Convention it has been hard to recall any calls for reform.
 
The best we can tell, is that Frank Cox would be a Mohler without the Calvinism. If you think things were going just fine before Frank Page was elected, and you don’t like Calvinism, and want to see more missions giving and going, Frank Cox is your man.
 
We think Bill Wagner may get our vote.

Campaign Platforms and the SBC

Topic: Al Mohler, Indianapolis 2008, Missions, Outpost Team| 70 Comments »
“Our greatest challenge is to recover our passion for the gospel in evangelism and missions and to renew our determination to defend the gospel in an age of postmodern confusion. I would hope to articulate a vision that would unite Southern Baptists and energize us together.” (Dr. Al Mohler, BP article)

It is incomprehensible that after 14 years of calling Christians to exit public schools, suggesting fetal surgery to correct gay genes, and being culture warrior-in-chief that Al Mohler could not find the time to cross cultures and model to his students an international missions mindset. Ironically, though too busy to model international missions like other seminary presidents, he then indicates he will unite us around missions when announcing his platform.

UPDATE:

“8. If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin.” (Al Mohler, March 2, 2007)

The Difference a Perspective Makes

Topic: Al Mohler, Indianapolis 2008, Missionaries, SBC News, Todd Littleton| 48 Comments »
Of concerns voiced by R. Albert Mohler Jr. of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, for example, Edens said in a statement to Baptist Press that “I personally agree with him in the areas of theology and assessment of Islamic teaching about God or our Lord Jesus Christ. However, we disagree in methodology. From my experience of over 20 years living as a missionary among Muslims, I am committed to a Christian dialogue and conversation with Muslims. So, in continuity with my witness there, I signed the document.”

BP ran two articles on January 11. One noting why Dr. Mohler did not sign, “Loving God and Neighbor Together: A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You.” The other article offered Dr. Edens, NOBTS Professor and whose words this post begins, an occasion to respond to Dr. Mohler’s contentions the move was, “not the way to get into the conversation.” These debates are tricky for once you mention a means to engage others who do not share your convictions the watchdogs come out signaling the “giving up of ground.” Conversations however are just that, conversations.

Dr. Scot McKnight suggests many Christians do not know how to have a conversation. In a blog post dated January 8, 2007, Scot offers,

… “conversation” has a noble history and because not all Christians know how to “converse.” They know how to argue and denounce and affirm and confess and assert, but the art of conversation is not its most notable feature. To foster conversation, …

He then makes a number of helpful suggestions. Before anyone considers McKnight to be soft and non-committal, read his blog thoroughly.

Dr. Edens suggested his experience serving twenty years in a Muslim context informed his decision to sign the document as a way to foster helpful conversation. Dr. Mohler served in which Muslim context? Dr. Mohler has gone on how many international mission trips?

One more amazing note. Many of us who share the heritage of the SBC did not own slaves nor would ever want to. (No this is not intended to resurrect the recent flap between Wade and Peter over Dwight)Yet, years after the Emancipation Proclamation and nearly 30 years after the Civil Rights Movement, the SBC passed a resolution apologizing for our complicity in treating African-Americans as less than human beings created in the image of God. Many of us continue to applaud that decision and are willing to admit we still have rooom to improve in our mostly white, southern denomination. So when Dr. Mohler sees no need for Christians to apologize for the Crusades fearing a Muslim Europe and possibly North America, he seems to tragically miss the point. No one suggested those signing the document wanted to bow to Mohhammed’s Allah. But, the apology seems right when we consider in the name of Christianity people were killed becuase a group of people shared a different faith. That is, we should apologize unless we think we have the right to kill those who fail to submit to the Lordship of Christ today.

Personally, it seems unthinkable that post-Resurrection of Jesus we would employ language ignorming the humanity of others by suggesting despite the sin and atrocitites of the day we are glad.

 Suggestion - Rather than run for President of the SBC, let’s move at the next Annual Meeting in Indy that the Board of Trustees of The Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville, KY present Dr. Mohler with a sabbatical of not lesss than one year to travel internationally. Consign him to serve alongside our SBC missionaires in foreign coutnries  learning the art of conversation with people who may be indignant toward our faith in Jesus, indifferent to our God in their various pantheon of gods, and return prepared to engage others in conversation for the cause of Christ before denouncing a document he did not sign because he was not asked. Maybe we know why he was not asked.

So moved.

Pre-arranged conventions…

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